Hezekiah Allen, executive director of the Emerald Growers Association, recently strapped on a pink tie and sat down for a satellite interview with Tony Dokoupil, a host on MSNBC’s live-streaming network shift as well as the son of a successful weed dealer/smuggler. 

Dokoupil butchers Allen’s first name (Huh-ZEKE-ia?), but the two engage in friendly chatter about such topics as the historical impetus for indoor cultivation, the relative environmental impacts of indoor versus outdoor, and the desire for a better phrase than “recreational marijuana.”